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having all the wheels balanced, also deflated and re-inflated. Although I personally don,t like changing the wheels around that is what we have done to-day. Unfortunately, notwithstanding all these efforts when driving on quality roads as I reach 100 kmph (approx. 60 mph) the front of the car vibrates as though I was driving on damaged tyres (which they are not). Its just not slight vibration its so bad my wife will not get in the car! In nearly 50 yrs of driving I,ve never encountered this problem and certainly not in a 3 year old 35000 km (20 odd k miles). The car has not been in an accident and now my tyre specialist who has carried out all the work/inspections is of the mind that its nothing to do with the tyres/wheels.
The only other things are tracking (but there is no pulling to one side or another and steers correctly) or and, this is my current thoughts, is could it be suspension or some aspect of the suspension but, having regard to this being a relatively new car, has anyone experienced anything of this problem in the QQ or other type of car?
I,d be interested to hear from anyone who might offer another suggestion on this problem. Thank you.Angry
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Oh! I should add that after 100kmph has been passed the vibrations reduce to almost a calm ride!
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Giving even further thought (on my own) would shock absorbers cause this problem?
If it were, and considering the age and number of kilometers done, would this be covered by the extended warranty? We extended the warranty at the time of purchase from 3 to 5 years!
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Where can the vibration be felt? Steering wheel/pedals/whole car?
Is the vibration in time with engine rotation or wheel rotation? 
Is there any audible noise that goes with it?

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Originally posted by cantfindausername cantfindausername wrote:

Where can the vibration be felt? Steering wheel/pedals/whole car?
Is the vibration in time with engine rotation or wheel rotation? 
Is there any audible noise that goes with it?


Thanks for the reply which I shall try to deal with correctly.
A bit back to front if I may. No noise other than a slight increase due to the vibration. As to which the vibration related is the hub in itself. When you have balance problems or tracking difficulties the steering wheel almost jumps out of your hand but this is not happening. The vibration is totally general (not great English, sorry!) in that it feels all round you. The pedals shake along with the steering wheel and since this is only happening at about 100 kmph its impossible to define engine/wheel rotation. Since the roads will be a bit quieter I,m gonna take another drive before speaking to the only English speaking motor engineer whom I can trust and understand what is happening. Of course I cannot speak to him to-night, now.
The entire vehicle feels as though its shaking/vibrating at between 90/100 and then progressively dies away once the speed limit is exceeded, unfortunately. The necessity to adhere to the speed limits it makes things more difficult I have to say. I,m just being told that the motoring media in Russia have described the suspension on QQ,s as 'poor' but, unfortunately this does not appear to be the case in the UK!
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Differentiate wheel/engine speed by selecting a different gear or even coast in neutral/clutch down. 

It would be worth getting it up on a ramp and checking ball joints etc, but I would expect this to be felt more as a vague wallowing while driving rather than vibration. 
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Originally posted by cantfindausername cantfindausername wrote:

Differentiate wheel/engine speed by selecting a different gear or even coast in neutral/clutch down. 

It would be worth getting it up on a ramp and checking ball joints etc, but I would expect this to be felt more as a vague wallowing while driving rather than vibration. 

So having now done a 20 km run up and down the autopista in relatively quiet conditions, doing a steady 100 kmph with cruise control, radio off and now I realise the vibration is greater than I first thought. The inside of the cabin is shaking, ie any slightly loose contents/fittings shake quite noticeably, my feet think they,ve been on a foot 'Revitive' sort of machine, my body feels the same but, worse still. On braking firmly from 100 to say 70 the whole car is shaking. There is certainly no wallowing that I can detect but I now wonder if the engine is moving? The braking causing sudden increase in vibration. So now I,m thinking its suspension/shock absorbers/engine mountings? Since I,ve never had a problem like this I,ve no idea what would cause any of the foregoing. Anyway, in a very short journey I feel tired and uncomfortable. The plot has definitely thickened, to say the least. If anyone cares to chip in with opinions I shall certainly be grateful, as I am to 'cantfindausername'!
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QQs have a history of warped discs which would cause severe vibration on braking.
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I had problems like that too. First is a warped disk and second sticky brake caliper pistons. Both caused very bad vibrations. Someting else that you can check that could cause a problem is water in a tyre. This could give the same effect as a wheel balance problem
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Check also your drive shafts. Are they secure both ends? As you've already said the only other cause I can think of is broken/loose engine mountings.
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Originally posted by Doug999 Doug999 wrote:

QQs have a history of warped discs which would cause severe vibration on braking.


So sorry for not replying I had to go into hospital, unexpectedly!
Anyway, without having seen your posting my tyre shop, in my absense, came up with the same opinion and we took the car to the dealer to-day who took the car out for 8 minutes! Came back with the same opinion having been explained to them what we had already done! Anyway its going in to-morrow but no warranty cover 'fair wear and tear' in Canarian or was it more of, soory Sir, you,re ..cked! Could get the tyre people to re-place the disc but, to ensure that any work done IS under a warranty its going in to-morrow to the main dealership! I shall report further to assist any other members who incur similar problems in the future!
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Originally posted by Tekna2008 Tekna2008 wrote:

I had problems like that too. First is a warped disk and second sticky brake caliper pistons. Both caused very bad vibrations. Someting else that you can check that could cause a problem is water in a tyre. This could give the same effect as a wheel balance problem


See my earlier reply but many thanks indeed!
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Well, just as an up-date. The car is currently at the dealers and has been since 09..00 this morning. Wifey has phoned them for asn up-date and lo and behold they claim the discs are ok. They, of course, have accepted that there is a major problem but they now cannot find a solution! Can you believe this? Frankly, unless they changed over the disc I don,t know how they can ascertain its not the cause! Anyway, as usual timw marches on and it now looks like the car might not be home to-night! Unfortunately I have to be the hospital some 70 kms away, to-morrow at 08.30 so it looks like I,ll be getting transported by Madam. Hate, hate being driven anywhere and, in a smaller car. Thankfully the Fiesta is a smashing car.
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Checking discs and hubs is easy with a plunger gauge. Very simple engineering check for runout on the faces. Warped discs shouldn't give the symptoms your experiencing anyway. My old Evo had really bad warped discs on a couple of different sets and it never affected any driving apart from braking. Is it definitely wheel speed related? Get up to the problem speed + 5/10kmh hold clutch down or put in neutral and allow car to slow through the trouble area. This will negate any problem with engine speed. Also, loose engine mounts would be a problem all the time, not specifically at a certain speed.
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I would suggest to place GoPro camera (or similar) in engine bay and test drive it. If nothing unusual is seen, then record shock absorbers, then steering. I believe this will help to find what is causing it.
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Might also be worth posting a video of what is happening from the cabin too - get a passenger to hold a smartphone/camera or something and upload it. I did this with an odd noise on my Evo and put it on YouTube and it seemed to help a few people out even if it didn't solve my problem.
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Sorry for the delay. Bed confined to bed unfortunately!
Anyway got the car back and problem appears to have been dealt with. If someone told me this I just would not believe them be here we go!
14 ,months ago I had a puncture and of course with no spare I had to use the 'gunk'. Well, lo and behold it appears that two sections of gunk, inside the tyre, had never been removed at the time of the puncture so when these were sorted and also a small piece of the gunk was stuck somewhere else ( I apologise wifey collected car from garage and with the language differences I think she misunderstood the later part) the wheels ran true and the vibration completely rid off. So, having gone thru' every possibility it comes down to a puncture and the use of the gunk. Had I had a spare none of this whole episode would have arisen. Looking back I really wish I had just bought a second hand wheel and tyre, kept in the garge and bingo! No problem.
I am really, really grateful for your responses and, in particular 'water in tyre' suggestion - well done you win the Rosette!
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Only just seen this topic. Pleased you got it sorted and such a simple solution - how annoying but satisfying at the same time!

Gunk is a mixed blessing solution. General thinking is that once gunked a tyre is a write off so now we know it isn't always, but to make sure the gunk is 100% removed.

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Can you bleedin' believe it? Car is parked in our under building car park and I,ve gone down to-day to get out and about and low and behold, one of the offending wheels is absolutely flat and I mean FLAT with almost a gap between tyre and wheel.
Advice needed again. What am I supposed to do. No spare (as usual). I tried to get the little electric pump thing to inflate the tyre but, for some reason I,m clearly doind it wrong. I,m gonna go down to read the handbook but what do you think re the responsibility for this. Wifey has spoken to a friend who does a lot of business with these dealers and he reckons there not a hope in hell,s chance of them sending someone out with a spare, just to get it to the garage? 
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Glad that your problem is solved.
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Originally posted by Tekna2008 Tekna2008 wrote:

Glad that your problem is solved.

As yo may see the problem is far from having been resolved. The car is stuck in the underground car park, with no chance of a recovery vehicle getting in and out wit the QQ so my Insurance broker thinks that he may have one of those small compressors which work from the car battery so if he has we shall try to inflate the problem tyre (which is the one which seems to have caused the vibration) and if that works get the car out of the garage and arrange for a recovery vehicle, not the dealers, to take the vehicle to the dealership garage to-morrow and await their stance on this. No doubt they are too busy to deal with the car to-morrow!
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Erm... take a trolley jack to the car and change the wheel, if the mountain won't come to Mohammed....

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Why not get a spare wheel and put it on?
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I would agree entirely ifI were able to follow both suggestions!
Garages here will not lend me a jack and one strong enough are not readily available, in fact are not for sale, other than possibly up in Santa Cruz, some 50 kms. away! If buying a jack is difficult then try buying any 18' wheel which would go on the QQ and once that were achieved ordering a suitable tyre or tyres. The tyres would take up to 7 working days to arrive. Now, as you may gather paces like Tenerife are wonderful for their climates/way of life but, funnily, its that way of living that causes problems such as I,m having! The Canarians work (if that,s the correct term) stupid hours, closing in the afternoons etc but worse, living in a small town 30 kms north of L.Cristianos and 50 kms south of S. Cruz its like living in a bygone age at times. Everything for cars have to be ordered, hence the unbelievable prices of second hand cars, spares and the like. I just cannot get a taxi down the road picking up a jack, a wheel and a tyre. Now as you will see, to make maters worse, I,m having extensive medical treatment on an ongoing basis, having suffered a stroke years ago. Whilst, on a normal day to day basis it does not cause me problems I am not allowed to life/carry any weight above 3 kilos and my wife works in the Tourist Industry (ironical to say) so she needs her Fiesta from early morning to sometimes quite late at night. If you,ve ever holidayed to paces like here you might stand back and wonder at the hours put in by the staff! Her only day off is a Friday so we cram everything into that day so this coming Friday looks like its gonna be spent on the QQ, getting organised as best as possible. Even if we are successful in getting a wheel and tyre (tyre unlikely) I,m still let unable to put the bloody things on. Meantime I,ve got an English and an Austrian mechanic looking for our needs at this moment. Neither able to get here to-day with or without. 
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Wow...!!! Shocked.

Obvious question, but is there a breakdown service there equivalent to AA/RAC here?


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Just drive it out with the flat tyre until it's somewhere outside it can be towed. Do it carefully and you won't knacker the wheel.
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If a tyre is totally deflated & the seal at the rim broken a compressor isnt ever going to blow it up. You need to get the wheel off somehow & take it to be refitted & inflated - assuming it doesnt have a big puncture - then bring it back & refit. Dont you know anybody with a car with a jack, you could make it work somehow then leave car supported on bricks or similar until you get wheel back on.

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Soory Guys for only writing this now. Yesterday I told my tyre place to get 4 Conti,s and an hour later they were on their way to the other side of Tenerife collecting these.
To-day my broker, who speaks better and more technical Spanish, asked for a 'grua' which is the breakdown equivalent, to come down to have a look! Between parked cars I drove (well!) the car to the entrance of the garage but the grua could not get thru' said entrance, could not cable attach 'cause we needed to do a hard right hand to the top of an up and down driveway whilst the truck reversed to a point where he was hard against the wall, cabled the car at this point until it was on the truck and off! 40 minutes later 4 new Conti,s were duly in place and fitted/balanced and the works, incl. nitro instead of air. I made the decision to cut my losses and not guess which tyre we should keep and which to get rid of. I kept the most worn tryes as spares and now will start a search for a second hand wheel from scrappies around the island. Never again will I go thru'such idiotic, stupid aggravation for the sake of not having a spare tyre & wheel!
Thanks so much for all your suggestions. I know some will think some of the problems I,ve had as being unbelievable but this is the down side of living on an Island correctly called 'Paradise'!
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