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    Posted: 09áSepá2011 at 3:49pm
Hi folks.
 
I have set my heart on a Qashqai as my next car and as with everything, it comes down to money.
 
I think I will be aiming for a QQ which is a couple of years old, perhaps a 58 plate etc, and would really like the Tenka spec (if budget will stretch) but I am stuck on which Engine size/Fuel type to get?
 
I only do about 300 miles per month. I dont plan on racing around as I am a money-consious driver, so although I like a good burst of speed haha, Im not that fussed about getting a powerful engine as I would be saving money on fuel and tax.
 
I was thinking about getting the 1.5l Diesel, but have a couple of Qs.
 
1) I sometimes tow a trailer, and wondered if the 1.5l Deisel will strugle will a fully loaded car/trailer - any views or experience ?
 
2) I read somewhere on the board that the 1.5 engine is from an old Renault, and reportedly unreliable - is this the case?
 
3) Are there any serious downsides to the 1.5d that make existing owners wish they selected something else? Would I be better off with a Petrol perhaps? I have never owned a Diesel; Are they more expensive to service etc?
 
I intend to keep the car for the next 6 years so would rather stretch a few extra ú1000s now, than be dissapointed with my choice for that time.
 
 
Many thanks for any words of wisdom that you could give me.
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Welcome to the forum, Joe.

I have a 1.5 dci Tekna, 08 plate so was in a very similar situation as you when buying a year ago.
I went for the diesel over the petrol for fuel economy, and because most reports say it has more grunt than the petrol. The 1.5 dci engines from that time don't have a DPF, which may have been a concern for you doing low mileage, so that's something you don't need to worry about.

The diesel will set you back more on paper, but if you shop around a bit and get a good deal you may find one for about the same as a petrol (I did Big smile). I've never owned a diesel before (came from a 1.6 Civic) and have been hugely impressed by the fuel economy and power for such a small engine. I reckon it would be OK with a trailer (although it won't set your pants on fire) but I'm sure someone with experience could give you more info.

If I were you I'd look for a good example of the 1.5 diesel rather than the petrol. Especially if you keep it for six years - you'll reap the benefits with the fuel economy and I imagine the tax is lower too. Not sure about servicing costs but again, if you shop around you may not end up paying more anyway.

Good luck in your search and I hope someone else can help you with some of your specific questions!
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Hi & Welcome Joe...Smile
Gemma most of your Qs...as for towng a trailer wont be a problem at all as the torque on the 1.5dci is more than up for a trailer... had the1.6 petrol QQ before and pulled a caravan with it and its not a patch on the 1.5dci ...Thumbs Up
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Hi thanks for your detailed replies - certainly food for thought there!
 
Gemma, one thing I am unsure about -
 
You mentioned the older QQ didn't have the DPF (which I have just searched the website for as I didn't know what it was) and it seems that if you don't hit high enough exhaust temps to burn off the soot etc, you could be looking at a ú200 bill for Nissan to do forced regeneration!?  (Hope I understood that from what I have read?)
 
Now a few poeple have said you need to be doing 70mph for 30mins etc. As I doubt I will be hitting that kind of speed/milage regularly (as I normally just potter around town at 30mph), surely its a good thing that the older models don't have it?  Or am I missing something there?
 
Many thanks for your help!
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Yes, it's a good thing for you that the older models don't have it. That's what I meant, sorry if it wasn't clear! I just wanted to alert you to the DPF issue so that if anyone mentioned it, you wouldn't have to worry if you're considering an older 1.5
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Hi Joe,

I would say if you don't do much mileage and rate fuel economy above power then the 1.5 is a good choice. Like you say the 1.5 is out of a Renault and got a bit of a reputation for being unreliable. I unfortunately had first hand experience of this but I believe things have improved since then.
People on this forum swear by this engine in the QQ and it doesn't seem to be the case, I however couldn't entertain another one of these units though.
If your doing low mileage, it will most likely be fine, its really only high mileage drivers who had problems. I'd expect a diesel engine to last 150-200 k , nobody I worked with managed to get one over 100k.

In fairness though the Renault mechanics were all entirely incompetent too, which didn't really help.
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hi guys, all good advice, thank you.
 
The more I read on this forum, the more doubts I am having about a diesel.  Would a Diesel be the best choice given than 90% of my journeys will be 10mins tops, at under 30mph ?
 
Maybe I would be better off with a Petrol ?  There does seem to be an awful lot more Petrol models available on the 2nd hand market that deisels, from what I have seen so far - so I guess I would have a little more choice ?
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If you are really going to be doing quick ten minute journeys about 90% of the time at 30 and under...then really you should get a petrol engine.
 
For a start the diesel engine, even though compression ignition will barely get warm....this is what leads to carbon build up....
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Yep...petrol better suited to your driving habits of short runs..in saying that I only do 10/15 min runs but use duo carriageway at 70+mph but haven't got a dpf on my 1.5dci...
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DPF or no DPF.....short, low speed runs the majority of the time is not good for ANY diesel angine.
 
Diesels, by the very nature of them need to be driven....
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I agree totally with Hamish, get. petrol for your short journeys and low mileage.

That said, the gearbox in the 1.6 petrol isnt that Great in my opinion, especially if you are towing. it revs farbtoo high an is a 5 speed, crying out for a 6th gear.... Try for. 2l petrol QQ. power is amazing, fuel consumption is ok considering your mileage and you wont ""have the dreaded issue with. potential DPF clogging up.

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Hi Everyone,

I've just bought a QQ 1.6 2008 model from a dealer. I really love the car but when I'm driving I can hear a constant rattle coming from the back near the boot. I can't find the problem and wondered if anyone had any ideas of how to resolve it.

Also I want to change the in car stereo for a Sony MEX 3900U because it can streamline my iPhone calls and music. I was hoping that Nissan had developed a similar one to what
my requirements are or a cable that would adjust my current system. Am also concerned that if I remove the current system it'll ruin the look of my dashboard.

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Hi & welcome asp9990   Smile
Rattle at the bacg may be the boot catch become lose..check and tighten it up...although its a bit arkward too get at the nuts..do forum search as there is posts explaining how to do it...
 
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Harry,


Thanks for the advice re the boot, my car is going back for a check-up after Halfords tried to fit the new system unsuccessfully and set off the idicator for the airbags. This is why am reluctant to return to Halfords and thought there maybe a simpler way. Any ideas where I might look on the forum please. Also I want to but some chrome wing mirror covers. However, I was unsure as they are only stuck on with tape.

I love your opinion on the wing mirror covers. I've seen some on EBay.

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asp you can reset the airbag light yourself the "how to" is on here already matey , the boot rattle can be fixed with some electrical tape around the boot catch or by adjusting the boot catch
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Just wanted to say a big thks, I've reset the airbags . I now just need the link for full membership so I can join.

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Thks for the advice it worked. Am one happy bunny. I think am going to give Halfords a wide birth and find a local place as you've suggested. I looked at your retro installation of the connector it's to complicated for me to attempt unless I had guidance.

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Hi again.

 

So using the above advice, I see that a Diesel is not for me due to making lots of short journeys, so I am now trying to decide if I should aim for a 1.6 or a 2lt.

 

The benefits of a 2litre is that it obviously has more power and has a sixth gear which is good for motorway cruising, but obviously the 2litre QQ will cost more to buy, tax and run.

 

I will be getting a 2008/2009 model I would imagine.

 

1) Is there any difference in reliability between the 1.6 and 2litre engines for 2008/2009 models? I read that they new 1.6 117bhp is truly awful, but I don't think I can afford a 2010 model anyway.

 

2) A lot of members seem to post that the 1.6 is gutless, but why would nissan make a really crap car/engine choice?  Are these complaining members expecting too much from the car, and are used to pedal to the metal driving ?

 

3) I drive very carefully and pull away from lights slowly, dont overtake etc... so figure a 1.6 would be okay, but then I read some of the members posts and they make it sound truly awful. I would be scared of having a full load and/or trailer, and then finding that the car is a nightmare.  Any experience here?

 

 

Thanks for you words of advice so far!

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welcome joe
 
i have an 8 month old 1.6,
its certainly not fast, or entertaining to drive.. its comfortable,
I think they probably are expecting to much, to be honest its not much if any slower than a 1.6 focus (going on published 0-60 figures ect)
 
haven't heard of any reliability issues with the engines in any of the Qashqais to be honest.. nissan are pretty reliable (the lastest manufacturer reliability reviews showed japanese cars at the top of the charts, with honda in top spot, and nissan in the top 5, while german manufacturers didn't appear on the list until number 18!(and that was porsche) with bmw around 20-22 iirc)
 
I wouldn't call the 1.6 gutless.. its no racing car, but it can overtake if needed (working it a bit)
my only dislike is being a 1.6 and a not very aerodynamic car, on motorways ect the revs sit a bit higher, and the mpg isn't as good as my old car(bigger engine) on long journeys.
but as i dont drive much, especially long journeys it doesn't effect me, and according to the computer my MPG based over the last 1000 or so miles, is 30.9.. that includes some long journeys and mostly commuting (which is a 60mph road.. so revs higher than door to door ofcourse, plus im a little bit peddle happy sometimes )
 
I have had a full boot, stuffed full of detailing products many times, to the point where nothing else fits with the shelf still in, but only me in the car, and it hasn't seemed to affect it noticeably.
 
also had me and 2 other guys in and 3 sets of golf clubs and two folding trolleys in the boot without affecting it.. so i dont think its too bad.


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As you are going to be doing all these short journeys, then you are not going to be able to use the advantage of a 2l petrol anyway...


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Joe - just to confuse you further.............if you decide on a 2.0 petrol and if you like automatic gearboxes, have a test drive in a CVT if you can.  The 2.0 CVT is a beauty - smooth, quiet and a joy to drive.  It is (allegedly) leaner and cleaner than the 2.0 manual.
 
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Originally posted by Joe Shmoe Joe Shmoe wrote:

Hi again.

 

So using the above advice, I see that a Diesel is not for me due to making lots of short journeys, so I am now trying to decide if I should aim for a 1.6 or a 2lt.

 

The benefits of a 2litre is that it obviously has more power and has a sixth gear which is good for motorway cruising, but obviously the 2litre QQ will cost more to buy, tax and run.

 

I will be getting a 2008/2009 model I would imagine.

 

1) Is there any difference in reliability between the 1.6 and 2litre engines for 2008/2009 models? I read that they new 1.6 117bhp is truly awful, but I don't think I can afford a 2010 model anyway.

 

2) A lot of members seem to post that the 1.6 is gutless, but why would nissan make a really crap car/engine choice?  Are these complaining members expecting too much from the car, and are used to pedal to the metal driving ?

 

3) I drive very carefully and pull away from lights slowly, dont overtake etc... so figure a 1.6 would be okay, but then I read some of the members posts and they make it sound truly awful. I would be scared of having a full load and/or trailer, and then finding that the car is a nightmare.  Any experience here?

 

 

Thanks for you words of advice so far!

joe.

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hahah, argh - so confusing...... now I dont know what to do?!
 
From reading the board, I got the impression that the Automatics were not as responsive and also worse on economy ?
 
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Originally posted by HarryN-TEC HarryN-TEC wrote:

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Originally posted by Joe Shmoe Joe Shmoe wrote:

hahah, argh - so confusing...... now I dont know what to do?!
 
From reading the board, I got the impression that the Automatics were not as responsive and also worse on economy ?
 
Is that not the case?
 
Automatics are generally juicier than manuals - that's the price you pay for being lazy. LOL
 
However, the CVT is unusual in being (allegedly) leaner and cleaner than the manual box on the 2.0 petrol.  The CVT was only available on the 2.0 petrol engine - I say 'was' as they are not accepting orders for that combo right now apparently, due to supply problems following the Tsunami, or Juke production taking preference, depending who you believe. 
 
The CVT is better than any regular automatic I have owned or driven (maybe 4 or 5) because it has an infinite number of 'gears' so is always in it's preferred selection with no 'jumps' between changes.  It also seems to 'brake' for you when you take your foot off the gas, whereas regular auto boxes run away with you going downhill for instance.  It also has a 'manual' option on it if you want to do so, pushing up or down on the lever against a spring to change up or down.
 
On the 2.0 diesel you get a traditional auto option, but those here who have that do not seem too impressed with it.
 
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The fun in buying a car is that you can test drive all types of model before deciding.  If you are in no rush to purchase, try out your local dealers and spend some time in both 1.6 and 2.0 models driving on both local roads and motorways.   Good luck and enjoySmile 
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I think someone on here has the Sound and Style...is it chainsaw perhaps?
They seem to be quite rare...
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From what I know, the Sound & Style came out before the NTec was introduced. The S&S has the benefit of the Bose sound system.
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.....................and they first used the Nightshade colour exclusively on the Sound & Style too.
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Hi thanks guys.
 
so basically it was the same as the NTEC that was to come after it, but also featured the BOSE system, which is now in the Tenka ?
 
So it doesn't really have anything that the Tekna doesn't have? So what was the point of it?
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